Fliess and his games!

I just thought that since the old board is closing I'd copy this very first post I made over there about Jason's F1 *Spoiler Alert*:

....well looks like this will be a record - they've declared the F1 about 45 hours before the show even aired!!!!

I must admit I just happened to switch stations to watch the ending of "Sleepless in Seattle" (I had sort of forgotten the ending) and saw the preview. Plus I was taping it in case I missed it - spent the next 2 hours rewatching that preview....pretty clear who the winner is.

However at the back of my mind was the thought that everyone was convinced it was Jason in DD's season - right? I just don't trust Fleiss and his editing...it just isn't like him to give it away like that....I just don't know what to think!

This just came back to me last night - we all knew something had to be up with Fleiss and now we know we were right. He has never failed to surprise me... he must really despise that concept of "true Love" (he must have just loved Melissa and how that was her theme - wonder if he pushed it on her?)and "living happily ever after". I can just see him there chuckiling to himself coming up with his nasty ideas to shcok us all. He's the evil puppet master.

Zeds, that's the way I think. I was very suspicious that Fleiss would let everyone figure out who the F1 was before the show started. Didn't make any sense considering the scum bag he is. Now we know why.

I did my Fleiss not knowing his audience rant in the Reality Steve thread. I swear every season that I will follow the screencaps and not get caught up in the edits. And that is what I did this year only to be led down a rosy path filled with thorns. Actually the proposal from the preview is correct; it is not the END of the story, however. He gives the romantics a taste of "All's Well That Ends Well" then throws that ending to the cynics. Arghhhh!

Usually by the finale everyone says with a sigh...Oh, well, at least there is a Bachelorette for this summer - better start sleuthing now. I don't know if that will happen as quickly or that anyone will consider a new season a fresh start to wash out the bad taste of the previous season.

I would prefer one of these 2 options for the end of this season:

1. show Melissa's FRC with engagement, cancel ATFR & ATFR2. Release a statement that they broke up and let the gossip go on on its own.
2. show intense Molly love, declining Melissa love for final episode. Cut out all reference to Melissa engagement and pretend the ordeal never happened. Do whatever Molly & Jason stuff during ATFR & ATFR2 and leave Mel alone.

If Jason is shown as falling in love with Melissa and proposing, then dumping her and "following his heart" to Molly... then it's heartbreaking for Mel and I don't approve - since we know it was a setup and not as simple and honest as they make it look. This scenario just makes me angry.

This show needs to move to daytime. Put them on with the soaps and the Maury show!

Now that I've got over my distate for the way Melissa has been treated, I'm getting interested in how this is going to be spinned, especially since the word is out and the public reaction is not good. So I guess I'll watch- but I'm so glad that I have been spoiled on this one. Fortunately, I'm not a big Jason fan- he always seemed a bit dull to me- so my heart wasn't really in this.

Pjp, although I know you're disgusted with the Bachelor, I hope you'll stick around with us- there's lots of other things to talk about!

Katherine wrote:Pjp, although I know you're disgusted with the Bachelor, I hope you'll stick around with us- there's lots of other things to talk about!

Thanks, I'm still here! But I've got a meeting tonight so I won't be watching or chatting. Post some of your discussion on the board if you can!

Oh yeah, sure, we believe you Fleiss!




'Bachelor' creator says finale was not fixed
March 4, 2009, 9:05 AM EST
Entertainment Tonight


The creator of "The Bachelor" is defending his show and insists that this season's shocking outcome was not staged.

"It was [Jason's] choice in New Zealand who he proposed to," creator Mike Fleiss tells People.com. "But after the show wrapped, he was not in love with Melissa anymore and he was in love with Molly and he needed to make a change."

When Fleiss learned that Jason had a change of heart, "My first thought was, 'Oh, too bad,'" he says. "My next thought was, 'Wow, that's almost too good!' I knew that was a remarkable twist. At that point, the decision was made to bring all three parties into the studio to film 'After the Final Rose,' the most shocking 'After the Final Rose' in Bachelor history,' he adds. "It was never anyone's plan."


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Bachelor' exec producer Mike Fleiss speaks out on controversial finale

Mar 4, 2009, 01:22 PM | by Lindsay Soll

Sure, single papa Jason Mesnick's Bachelor finale showdown -- and subsequent After The Final Rose specials part 1 and part 2 -- brought record ratings, but will the fan backlash end up hurting ABC's hit reality series? Pick up a copy of Entertainment Weekly this Friday for our full report, including what advice season 2 Bachelor Aaron Buerge -- who knows a thing or two about, you know, being despised for making a girl cry on TV -- has for the ever-fickle Mesnick. Meanwhile, we checked in with the man who's really behind the roses, exec producer Mike Fleiss, to find out what the hell went down over the course of what will now be known as The Best Season Of Reality TV Ever (well, at least to me it will)!

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: There are rumors that the outcome was manipulated and that you guys knew all along how it was going to turn out. What do you have to say about those accusations?

MIKE FLEISS: It's completely untrue! Don't you think if we were into that and playing those kind of games that somebody who it happened to would be saying that and not some "unnamed source?" We’ve had 500 people on the show, find one that says we told them who to pick -- you won’t because we’ve never done that. The rumor stuff is just appalling because we all work so hard on this show. We really make every attempt possible to keep this pure and let people make their own decisions. You can’t have people staging this, they’re not good enough actors. If they were all actors, that would be the best acting on any network. [Laughs] If he was acting, then Jason is the nation’s finest actor, better than Javier Bardem, better than Brad Pitt, and Molly is the new Meryl Streep!

Another question irking many fans: Why did he have to break it off with Melissa on camera?

It's a simple answer: It's a TV show. He would have done it on the radio if this were a radio show.


But you could argue that in the past not all Bachelors have felt compelled to break up on camera.

In the past it didn’t involve our other girl. I understand that people are a little ticked off that we put it [the breakup] on TV, but I think a lot more people would have been ticked off if we didn’t put it on TV. They watch the show, they invested in this whole season, they care about the characters, they’re looking forward to the finale, and then we don’t show them the defining moment of the season? I think that would piss some people off.

After the jump: "Once you’ve made the commitment to be on one of these shows you have to assume a certain level of emotional risk."

Did he have a choice in the matter?

There was never a discussion like, "Oh, this is going to have to be part of the show."

So he could have chosen to break up with Melissa off-camera and then talk about it after the fact on the After The Final Rose special?

[Melissa] had certainly been given a heads-up. I don’t think she realized it was going to go as far as it went with her giving back the ring and him taking it back. But she knew there was trouble in paradise. Don’t you think if your husband or boyfriend is about to break up with you and you spend every day with him for six weeks and you spend time talking on the phone with him every night that you’d have a little bit of a clue? Melissa is a wonderful girl and we were really happy she was the one chosen, but there’s no way we could make a show like this and not include the most important moment of the season.

Still, so many people think that because it was such a personal moment, she must be humiliated.

It’s a reality TV show about people falling in love. If you’re going to go on a reality dating show I think it’s a safe assumption that some of this is going to be possible. These people that are saying, “God, I would never want to go through something like that.” I agree. I could never do it, but once you’ve made the commitment to be on one of these shows you have to assume a certain level of emotional risk.

People just think Jason made the wrong decision in doing that so publicly.

He did everything else publicly, so what’s the difference?

Everyone had thought he'd chosen Melissa, that it was set in stone, and then it was just a surprise that he'd changed his mind in that amount of time.

Believe me, that heartache that Molly experienced the first time was probably not that much different than the heartache that Melissa experienced in the ATFR. He was dumping the both of them on camera.

It was a little surprising that Molly wasn’t more hesitant to take him back.

She’s in love with him. If you’re in love with somebody, you’ll put up with that. You put up with s--- that you wouldn’t put up with from anyone else in the world because you do love them and you want them back. You want to spend your life with them because you’re dreaming of them every night, that’s the place where Molly is.

Are you worried now that some fans are going to walk away from the show because their disappointed or angry by Jason's decision?

If that were true, we wouldn’t have held our numbers in that second half hour during Monday night's ATFR. If there was going to be this mass exodus from the show, it would have [already] happened. If we make a great show, people will watch a great show and that’s the bottom line.

Why do you think it is that Jason's season did see such a ratings spike for the show?

I think by keeping the ongoing soap opera alive it allows viewers to come back and reinvest more easily. By going from Brad’s season to Deanna's season to Jason’s is what’s allowed the audience to stick around. You try to do new things to keep the show fresh, but by keeping the thread of the characters through, the audience is watching a continuing soap opera and it’s easier for them to reinvest. Had we tried to launch Jason cold, not from The Bachelorette, and say, “He’s our new Bachelor!”, I don’t think we would have even gotten him approved, necessarily, by the network. He’s not a doctor, he’s not a captain in the Navy, he’s not Mr. Hunkalicious of the Century. I mean he’s a good looking guy, but we had better looking physical specimens for that role. But the audience came to like him and care about him so much from the previous season that watching him as the new Bachelor was really easy.

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